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Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:21:00 -
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Well, I'm certainly not that much anti-CCP, but I was very much looking forward to WiS myself, even though I played the game for many years just being a spaceship.
And I agree with your estimation: They figured out: "Phew, Incarna is harder to do than we thought. Luckily we have a bunch of loud 0.0 whiners in the backyard! Lets please them, even though nothing will actually change for them in game. And say we listened to players, even though they only represent a very small percentage of playerbase."
Then the CCP Genius Handshake Award was presented to someone. |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:08:00 -
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Lets see at the changes planned and then lets think how this could possibly hinder them to continue with WiS, if they felt committed:
Hybrid weapons balancing --> Takes some math genius as a ressource. Factional warfare --> mostly quest scripters I guess. Assault ships --> Math genius again. Capital ship balancing --> Mr Math again New T2 modules --> Some icon designer & Mr Math Starbase logistics management --> see above New EWAR-Drones --> see above T2 Rigs manufacturing --> see above Ship spinning --> done... New font --> done More captains quarters --> Done. These are the people working on Incarna and WOD. I highly doubt they need much time from the rest. Time dilation --> Genius progger and database admin.
So: Mainly it is probably about progress not being fast enough in the Incarna team. The rest is mostly an excuse.
Also, will the above really change much for FiS?
0.0 is supposed to be a lawless place were large groups of players can carve out their own empires and then defend them constantly. It should be a place where you're constantly at war and on your toes. Now... Will the above changes really change much to improve that feeling?
Low Sec is supposed to be a haven for pirates. Do I get extra-Tortuga feeling out of those changes?
Factional Warfare theoretically could be interesting. In the end I'm sure you get a few more missions and perhaps two stations or so.
The rest are small changes. |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:12:00 -
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DickbeardThePirate wrote:If you're more concerned about not getting WiS content then you are pleased by the promise of FiS improvements, I would like to kindly ask you to get out.
The future vision trailer was why I resubscribed to eve at the start of the year, but even I can see that that content is far far far less important then refining the game as it currently is. Hilmar's latest devblog has reassured me that I am not wasting my (or someone elses) money.
Talking to me? If you would be able to read thoroughly, you would see that I think they could do both at the same time? |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:19:00 -
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Yes, it is always funny to see the huge number of geniuses on this forum humbling me so efficiently. I will now crawl back into my cave, embarassed by all the genius your postings on this forum usually express. |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:28:00 -
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I know what many of you want. You want meaningful FW, as in: Your actions will affect the game universe for other players and the FW players.
That would actually make me join you. But I doubt you get that on the scale you want it, sarcasm aside.
Also, it wasn't my point. My point was avatar and station designers will likely not be needed to improve FW and the other things on the list, so it is likely just an excuse by CCP because said avatar & station designers cannot deliver in time.
And I'm surprised: I thought next you'd tell me you are one of the thousands of game designers on this forum. Perhaps you are not as bad as I thought. |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:53:00 -
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I wouldn't go so far to flip whole stations or systems. That definitely would unbalance the game. But to be able to flip some targets, e.g. some radar station and it gives your faction a meaningful "we achieved something" experience and a bonus to e.g. scanning for enemies in that system. Just an example
That - or similar things - were the loud clamour that many wanted for FW.
You still miss the point of my earlier post though - oblivous to FW problems as I might be: Do you think the people that can correct that bug are the same ones that create avatars and station interiours or textures and mashes and so on?
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Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:05:00 -
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I want WiS. I do not mind so much if it takes longer, but I would appreciate more self-reflection in the capabilities of their teams from CCP in the future. Spell that HONESTY. If I'm sure I miss a deadline because the goal is impossible, I tell management. Yes, I work in a very different sector of IT but still...
Also some refocussing on non-combat flying in space stuff would be nice. There are a lot of things you can do in space, even if some people get orgasms killing miners. (Who - honestly - should then start hiring mercs instead of mimimi)
In the end I think both FiS shouters and WiS fans will be kind of disillusioned by the few changes that will be made in the "Winter Expansion".
And yes, I like spaceships and spend 90% of my EVE time in one. And yes, I'm a RPler too and like avatars that can meet.
So, remember, we all are players. If you hate Avatars, go back to ship spinning. You never will have to touch it.
But that guy now creating textures for another vampire chick could have made some of your fellow players happy too. He is not a resource missing in EVE development, I think. |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:44:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote: Honestly, I think the whole concept of incarna was wrong. CCP repeatedly stated that there would be no combat involved like FPS-style killing sprees. Considering that the majority of eve players go great lenghts just to blow stuff up and watch shiny ships go boom I find it hard to believe that any of them would find a "pacifistic" environment for their avatars enjoyable. If CCP wants the players to accept WiS, it will not work without combat.
Which is an illusion created by current PVP shoutbox, because there are a lot of people enjoying other parts of EVE. Like the ones constructing said shiny space ships or the ones mining the stuff to build shiny space ships or those who like to explore more than to shoot spaceships and the glorious CSM did nothing for them.
I do like the open PVP approach EVE takes, but blowing up spaceships sincerly is not all.
A few years ago there were many initiatives around EVE that were quite good and player organized events. Lately the talk has been all around pew-pew. If I want pew-pew ONLY I play Lost4Dead or one of the other shooters I have installed.
EVE used to be an intelligent game that made you think out of the box.
Now go kiss some lower backs in 0-Sec, k? |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.06 23:21:00 -
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CCP Solomon wrote:Just incase there was any uncertainty, yes, we are refocussing on spaceships, but don't put your spacelegs away just yet, they will be needed 
To kick some lower backs? I have real legs... ;) But you can buy me a beer at fanfest and I might forgive you the troll post. |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.06 23:42:00 -
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Ni Cho wrote:CCP Solomon wrote:Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that donGÇÖt want it). However, we think youGÇÖll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature wasGǪ well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.
ItGÇÖs humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when itGÇÖs ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.
I am all for this Incarna stuff people complained about CCP not doing for many years before I even played Eve Online: a sometimes crappy game. I am glad to see the space ship crap being worked on, since you know, I am a starship captain and all that crap. Just make sure you roll out that Incarna crap right and with **** people can do, maybe even with out blowing up our computers...  I want my Sexual Enhancement shop to be of the same high quality as the ding dongs I will be peddling. But I want spaceship crap to be right/nice/fixed/cool FIRST.
You said crap more often than I said lower backs today while meaning arse! I salute you, Goon.
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Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.06 23:54:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.
Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.
Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.
You should not dismiss everyone as a "barbie maniac" just because they want other features in the game. I know many who quit not because of Incarna - but because the game got boooring doing the same stuff all over again. There are people have something called imagination, ya know? |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.07 00:01:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.
Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.
Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line. You should not dismiss everyone as a "barbie maniac" just because they want other features in the game. I know many who quit not because of Incarna - but because the game got boooring doing the same stuff all over again. There are people have something called imagination, ya know? Yes, and if you take your.... *staying classy*.... If you care to read all that has been said again you will realize that Incarna was not scrapped, only put into its proper place on the development priority list. CCP prioritized Incarna while there was still things to do. Now they are backtracking, and taking the proper path.
LOL - You did read my earlier doubts on avatar geeks working on FiS stuff, right? There is no "priority FiS or WiS" I think. They use the FiS shouters so they can.. Ah, I give up. Search for my earlier posts. I'm tired. |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:21:00 -
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Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:i would just say... CCP disappointed me one more time... i was looking forward to incarna... and now squat... look at this as big picture... we will get few patches (in one whole year) instead of big bang expansion of eve... (CQ are nothing without the rest of incarna)... so much time spent on nothing... and this patches are things that they can do in small time frame so that why we will get them... and the most sad thing is that all ppl that i managed to invite to EVE... the last click before they said yes and created account was incarna and what i could be... now there is big chance that they are gone...  ...and its so hard to get rl friends to EVE...
Well, my friends will not leave because of Incarna not coming in the so-called "Winter Expansion" patch. We usually fly together in space almost every day and they have become quite addicted.
But just to illustrate for those who do not understand the fascination WiS has on many people: - 2 of them played STO and RIFT before, 1 STO and AION. 2 came from WOW/LOTRO. All STO players agreed that EVE was the better SciFi Game, but all only joined after they introduced avatars and made the promise that said avatars could soon meet. Understand it or do not. It doesn't matter.
- First reaction when I told them that there would be no Establishments, not even a meet-in-person option, but instead what was on the list:
One said: "Well, at least a reason to look forward to SWTOR again." The reactions of the rest were more or less: "Oh, this is an expansion? Looks like patches." All were very disappointed. All will probably stay in EVE, because we like to fly together. But I'm not so sure they will want to "just fly" forever without any chance of social interaction you have in any other game. |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:48:00 -
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Well, personally I think that EVE and SWTOR are totally different games. I know most of our group will play both EVE & SWTOR. But it will show how much time will be spent in EVE and how much time in SWTOR.
A few weeks ago, when WiS was still confidently announced to get meeting options in winter, many said: "Perhaps I don't even play SWTOR."
Now the "spaceship only" thing is back on the table. I guess people want to stretch their legs... ;) In the end the old guard will not leave EVE I think, but they will lose many of the new players that were intrigued by Incarna. I'm especially sure they will lose a lot of new female players. |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:27:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:CCP Solomon wrote:... Pakleds "we are not smart".... If CCP history is any indication this means you will never ever see any additional WiS. And it will be the strangest unfinished content experience ever. Most unfinished Eve content can go unnoticed unless you made the mistake of making it your primary focus. Most players for example aren't constantly reminded that FW was never finished, that POSs have been broken since they were introduced or that WHs never got all the content promised there. But every time we log in we will now be reminded of that "crazy idea CCP started on where you would actually be able to walk around in the stations". That thing they worked on for 5 years that delivered the only single character trapped in a single room experience in MMO history". The thing that makes the NEX store and their attempt at microtransactions the biggest face plant in next generatition of MMO revenue models. What CCP doesn't get is the EXPERIENCE of walking in stations is the fun! We don't need "game play" there to make us just want to interact socially as avatars in a space station enviroment. For example, for me to just be able to meet with my corp in a large private meeting room would be fantastic. Give me some spacestation eye candy I can share with my friends and you can stop and ponder "game play" to make it better, but putting me in my uncustomizable CQ prison cell every log in just says "fail". So sadly what I saw in the winter expansion list was already more than they can deliver (and they even implied more would be added to the list) so they did what we begged them not to do and set us up for dissappointment. So this winter we get the balancing we should have gotten a year ago, improvments to FW (which can't amount to much in the short time they have), some capital nerfs that should have been in a patch not an expansion, some likely randomization of 0.0 by mucking with local and making SOV even more confusing. Net effect to myself or the members of my alliance is no decernable changes. I expect that will really be what most Eve players ultimately get from this expansion. I think what this really says is don't expect anything new or cool in Eve, because CCP can't commit to finishing anything. The moment someone starts to whine they rethink their plans and vision and chase a new random direction. Anything more than tweaking some constants in a table that determines, damage, timers, resists, yields, speeds or ranges is beyond their capabilites to deliver in a complete and functional manner. They have too much on thier plate and the ability to focus that you'd expect from a kitten in a ball or yarn store. They still don't graps that loud voices in these forums or from a hand full of people elected by special interest groups do not reflect the actual player base. Steve Jobs stated "It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them". I thought CCP got that once but it is clear now they don't have the steel the stick to their guns and deliver anyting other than what some screamy focus group whines for. Eve will eventually die by committee. Right now I expect folks in CCP are meeting to decide what kind of fire we want.. " When youGÇÖve been in marketing as long as I have, you'll know that before any new product can be developed it has to be properly researched. WeGÇÖve got to find out what people want from fire, how they relate to it, what sort of image it has for them." And Eve freezes to death while they sort that out.. Issler
Yes, I agree 110%. It is acutally what I said all the time. I get this feeling: There are the luddites who hate WiS because they hate changes. Because the few changes they will make to FiS now are cosmetic patching. Nothing to cheer about. Then there are some arse-kissers cannot do better than to think beyond what their leaders say.
There are no "space barbies" and "second lifers" enjoying EVE one way or the other. Such people quit before finishing tuts.
The pro-WiS people I know don't even want Establishments this winter. They would like them as some great feature.
What they want is: GET OUT OF THE F-ING HAMSTER CAGE AND BE ABLE TO MEET! Like, invite each other to those awesome TM CQs. *coughs*
The whole thing has taught me a few lessons though: The CSM did a good job representing us against the 'gold ammo" issue. Something we all were united in as players. Then they went to represent a loud minority. (theirs) So: I would never vote for anyone involved with a large 0-Sec Alliance. They just don't grasp there is more to the game than pew-pew. This is what we get as an "expansion" excuse this year.
CCP manipulating us into thinking they follow "player-wishes". Hell, most players don't even read this forum. |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:39:00 -
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Oh, it is nice that someone got back this old thread from the drawer. It kind of proves that there are more than "10 peoples and their alts" caring about WiS. Thank you! |

Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:45:00 -
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No, I just counted the number of people that posted pro-WiS in this thread. Perhaps you have a funny concept of math? |
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